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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2018, 06:59:56 AM »
His team-mate Ulissi also achieved a great time but in the live coverage I saw him riding after a team mate probably for kilometres so I think he should be penalized too, they've never showed Aru though except on the start and  finish.

Ulissi got penalized with 2 minutes if I remember correctly.
Glad to hear it Johnny, think it's well deserved.

So Viviani or Bennett for today...or maybe a breakaway?

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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2018, 07:16:48 AM »

So Viviani or Bennett for today...or maybe a breakaway?

I don't think they will allow a breakaway to go all the way but strange things can happen in the third week of a Grand Tour. If they arrive together then I think Viviani will pull it off.
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2018, 11:12:59 AM »
Fast and hectic stage today, with some unpredictable weather, but eventually there was a mass sprint at the line which Elia Viviani and his team set up almost perfectly. The Italian grabbed his fourth victory at this year's Giro and nearly put the points jersey out of reach.

Stage 17 results

1   Elia Viviani (Ita) Quick-Step Floors   3:19:57   
2   Sam Bennett (Irl) Bora-Hansgrohe       
3   Niccolo Bonifazio (Ita) Bahrain-Merida       
4   Danny van Poppel (Ned) LottoNL-Jumbo       
5   Jens Debusschere (Bel) Lotto Soudal       
6   Kristian Sbaragli (Ita) Israel Cycling Academy       
7   Jean-Pierre Drucker (Lux) BMC Racing Team       
8   Sacha Modolo (Ita) EF Education First-Drapac p/b Cannondale       
9   Andrea Vendrame (Ita) Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec       
10   José Gonçalves (Por) Katusha-Alpecin
       
General classification after stage 17

1   Simon Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott   69:59:11   
2   Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:00:56   
3   Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida   0:03:11   
4   Chris Froome (GBr) Team Sky   0:03:50   
5   Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ   0:04:19   
6   Rohan Dennis (Aus) BMC Racing Team   0:05:04   
7   Miguel Angel Lopez (Col) Astana Pro Team   0:05:37   
8   Pello Bilbao (Spa) Astana Pro Team   0:06:02   
9   Richard Carapaz (Ecu) Movistar Team   0:06:07   
10   George Bennett (NZl) LottoNL-Jumbo   0:07:01
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2018, 03:03:55 PM »
Thursday's stage 18 has just one serious climb, but it's very serious and right at the end. The ascent towards Prato Nevoso is 15km long and the gradient is always around 7%, which means reasonable speed can be developed there if you have the legs.

Here are the odds for stage 18 at Sportingbet:

Simon Yates - 1.22
Tom Dumoulin - 5.25
Chris Froome - 17
Miguel Angel Lopez - 81   
Domenico Pozzovivo - 41   
Thibaut Pinot - 81
Richard Carapaz - 201   
George Bennett - 401
Pello Bilbao - 401
Rohan Dennis - 501

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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2018, 12:36:50 PM »
I guess no one expected Yates to loose time in today's stage (not me anyway) but he looks vulnerable now, which I think will make the race even more interesting for us  and what's better than that  :)

A huge two days ahead in what I think has already been one of the most interesting big tours in the last years, hope the suspense will continue.

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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2018, 03:00:11 PM »
Fine breakaway victory for Schachmann, but the big news of the day is that Simon Yates is showing the first signs of weakness. He got dropped by Dumoulin, Froome and Pozzovivo and he count himself rather lucky that he lost just under half a minute.

Stage 18 results

1   Maximilian Schachmann (Ger) Quick-Step Floors   4:55:42   
2   Ruben Plaza (Spa) Israel Cycling Academy   0:00:10   
3   Mattia Cattaneo (Ita) Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec   0:00:16   
4   Christoph Pfingsten (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe   0:01:10   
5   Marco Marcato (Ita) UAE Team Emirates   0:01:26   
6   Michael Mørkøv (Den) Quick-Step Floors   0:01:36   
7   Viacheslav Kuznetsov (Rus) Katusha-Alpecin   0:01:52   
8   Jos van Emden (Ned) LottoNL-Jumbo   0:03:22   
9   Alex Turrin (Ita) Wilier Triestina-Selle Italia   0:03:29   
10   Davide Ballerini (Ita) Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec   0:05:09

General classification after stage 18

1   Simon Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott   75:06:24   
2   Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:00:28   
3   Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida   0:02:43   
4   Chris Froome (GBr) Team Sky   0:03:22   
5   Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ   0:04:24   
6   Miguel Angel Lopez (Col) Astana Pro Team   0:04:54   
7   Rohan Dennis (Aus) BMC Racing Team   0:05:09   
8   Pello Bilbao (Spa) Astana Pro Team   0:05:54   
9   Richard Carapaz (Ecu) Movistar Team   0:05:59   
10   Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe   0:07:05
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2018, 02:00:21 AM »
Friday's stage 19 is a monster and it could have a serious impact in the general classification: it starts with a second-category climb, then continues with the highest mountain peak of this year's Giro, Colle delle Finestre, then a third-category climb before the final ascent to Bardonecchia, a brutal 7km climb with an average gradient around 10%.

Here are the odds for stage 19 at Sportingbet:

Miguel Angel Lopez (COL) 3.75
Chris Froome (GBR) 6.50
Fabio Aru (ITA) 9.00
Giulio Ciccone (ITA) 11.00
Simon Yates (GBR) 12.00
Domenico Pozzovivo (ITA) 12.00
Tom Dumoulin (NED) 17.00
Thibaut Pinot (FRA) 21.00
Robert Gesink (NED) 21.00
Richard Carapaz (ECU) 34.00
Davide Formolo (ITA) 34.00
Sebastien Reichenbach (SUI) 51.00
George Bennett (NZL) 51.00
Ben Hermans (BEL) 51.00
Gianluca Brambilla (ITA) 51.00
Alexandre Geniez (FRA) 67.00
Kenny Elissonde (FRA) 101.00
Giovanni Visconti (ITA) 101.00

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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2018, 02:46:26 PM »
Well, strange things are happening: Chris Froome pulled off an amazing 80km solo attack on today stage and grabbed the pink jersey in the process, while Yates crumbled and lost over 40 minutes. What Froome did today is something that we rarely see in today's cycling. Unfortunately, the last time I saw something like that was in the 2006 Tour de France, Floyd Landis pulled off such an attack and we all know what happened later... I hope we won't witness the same thing all over again.

Stage 19 results

1   Chris Froome (GBr) Team Sky   5:12:26   
2   Richard Carapaz (Ecu) Movistar Team   0:03:00   
3   Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ   0:03:07   
4   Miguel Angel Lopez (Col) Astana Pro Team   0:03:12   
5   Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:03:23   
6   Sébastien Reichenbach (Swi) Groupama-FDJ   0:06:13   
7   Davide Formolo (Ita) Bora-Hansgrohe   0:08:22   
8   Sam Oomen (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:08:23   
9   Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe       
10   Pello Bilbao (Spa) Astana Pro Team   

General classification after stage 19

1   Chris Froome (GBr) Team Sky   80:21:59   
2   Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:00:40   
3   Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ   0:04:17   
4   Miguel Angel Lopez (Col) Astana Pro Team   0:04:57   
5   Richard Carapaz (Ecu) Movistar Team   0:05:44   
6   Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida   0:08:03   
7   Pello Bilbao (Spa) Astana Pro Team   0:11:08   
8   Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe   0:12:19   
9   George Bennett (NZl) LottoNL-Jumbo   0:12:35   
10   Sam Oomen (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:14:18
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2018, 03:52:35 PM »
What an epic stage,
I think Sky's tactic was really wise and brave, they knew Froome couldn't won the giro if he attacks at the last climb so that was very risky but it worked perfectly, I don't think Froome came here for just a top 3 finish so that's a thinking of a champion.
In fact I've expected that but wasn't sure Sky would of do it, they've never acted like that so far in the big tours.

You've mentioned Landis in 2006 Johnny and I remember that but meanwhile Kontador made a few of these long attacks a few times on the big tours (not every time successful of course) and today was classic Kontador attack made by Froome and believe me I don't even like the Spaniard so it's tough for me say that.

What happened to Yates?! I think the same as that to Chaves but it's still a misery for both I think, that was a huge blow from a rider who looks certain to win the giro just a couple of days back.
I think the possible reasons for that could be just a few;
Too good form too early in the race?
Too much effort in the time trial? (doesn't look to be the case with Chaves though)
Bad recovery from the previous stages and too much excitement or nerves which potentially could break your sleep(and that's important we know) or probably combination of all  those factors?

But let's see what will happen tomorrow, the race is still not over yet, Froome put a lot of effort today  so could that be costly tomorrow?
I don't believe it cause generally Sky are by far the better team here and they wisely saved all the Froome team-mates efforts before the 3-rd week so..

That Giro is maybe the most interesting cycling race I've seen like..ever!! and I'm watching the big tours at least, for more than 20 years.
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2018, 04:51:01 PM »
Recovery is essential in a Grand Tour, and I think that is where Yates failed. I felt very bad for him, the pink jersey struggling so many kilometers from the finish was a sad sight.

I agree that an attack from far out was Froome's only chance, and it took some courage to pull it off and also a very big effort from the team to set it up.

Hopefully that's all that he had today, great courage, a big heart and great legs. I've gone through so many disappointments over the past couple of decades in cycling so I won't be very enthusiastic when I see such an "out of this world" performance. I remember an Italian rider about 10 years ago, Emmanuele Sella, he won a mountain stage at the Giro in a similar fashion, with an attack from way out. I was thrilled to see him win that stage, it was... epic. Then, a few weeks later, the news broke: he was doped up to his ears and beyond.
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2018, 08:18:10 AM »
Yeah let's hope everything would be fine with Froome, in the end he's already expecting a decision and potential penalty so I couldn't imagine he would use something not allowed meanwhile, it seems they will take from him his Vuelta or this eventual Giro win but depends of the penalty size and time period of course.
And yeah a lot of doping scandals in cycling over the years but I think part of the reason is because the doping control in this sport is a lot stronger than most of the rest for sure.
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2018, 11:04:08 AM »
Chris Foome sealed the deal on stage 20, now the Giro-Tour double is a real possibility for him. Nieve won the stage from the breakaway while Pinot has totally broken down from fatigue and eventually decided to retire. 

Stage 20 results

1   Mikel Nieve (Spa) Mitchelton-Scott   5:43:38   
2   Robert Gesink (Ned) LottoNL-Jumbo   0:02:17   
3   Felix Grossschartner (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe   0:02:41   
4   Giulio Ciccone (Ita) Bardiani CSF   0:03:45   
5   Gianluca Brambilla (Ita) Trek-Segafredo   0:05:23   
6   Wout Poels (Ned) Team Sky   0:06:03   
7   Chris Froome (GBr) Great Britain       
8   Davide Formolo (Ita) Bora-Hansgrohe       
9   Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida       
10   Richard Carapaz (Ecu) Movistar Team

General Classification after stage 20

1   Chris Froome (GBr) Team Sky   86:11:50   
2   Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:00:46   
3   Miguel Angel Lopez (Col) Astana Pro Team   0:04:57   
4   Richard Carapaz (Ecu) Movistar Team   0:05:44   
5   Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida   0:08:03   
6   Pello Bilboa (Spa) Astana Pro Team   0:11:50   
7   Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe   0:13:01   
8   George Bennett (NZl) LottoNL-Jumbo   0:13:17   
9   Sam Oomen (Ned) Team Sunweb   0:14:18   
10   Davide Formolo (Ita) Bora-Hansgrohe   0:15:16
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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2018, 01:46:05 AM »
Last stage coming up, here are the odds at Sportingbet:

Elia Viviani (ITA) 1.65
Sam Bennett (IRL) 2.65
Danny Van Poppel (NED) 9.00
Niccolo Bonifazio (ITA) 13.00
Sacha Modolo (ITA) 19.00
Jens Debusschere (BEL) 67.00
Clement Venturini (FRA) 67.00
Manuel Belletti (ITA) 67.00
Jurgen Roelandts (BEL) 67.00

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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2018, 09:31:17 AM »
Chris Foome sealed the deal on stage 20, now the Giro-Tour double is a real possibility for him.
I don't know mate, Quintana, Contdor and few others tried that in the last years and they all looked exhausted in the deciding stages on tour, I know this season is a bit different cause the break between the two races isa bit longer but it's still an immense task.
Good luck to Froome though I really hope he could do better and eventually win the tour too.

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Re: Cycling - Giro d'Italia 2018
« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2018, 04:13:01 PM »
I don't know mate, Quintana, Contdor and few others tried that in the last years and they all looked exhausted in the deciding stages on tour, I know this season is a bit different cause the break between the two races isa bit longer but it's still an immense task.
Good luck to Froome though I really hope he could do better and eventually win the tour too.

Froome was not in peak form at the Giro, I think his training schedule was designed in order for him to reach peak form at the Tour de France. In theory he should be better at the Tour than he was at the Giro, granted he manages to recover quickly from the effort that he put in.
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